@3 weeks ago with 60 notes
#golnar's marxist analysis of punk economies #punk hierarchy #women in punk #women in hardcore
Dogging on females for “climbing the hardcore ladder” for them being in a relationship? You’re fucking stupid. There’s no ladder in hardcore, we’re all on the same level.
Correction: There SHOULD NOT be a hardcore ladder, and we SHOULD…
I appreciate the intelligent response and you are right. We are not trying to ignore the issues that people feel, just wanting to get to how hardcore is supposed to be (whether that is a realistic goal or not). How would you suggest getting rid of this ladder?
i wish tumblr wouldn’t truncate responses — this convo’s a good one.
any social ladder that exists is built by those that wish to reinforce systems of hierarchy & supremacy, and i think it’s a choice if one wishes to subscribe to it or not. that does not mean one might not be affected by said hierarchy (e.g. in terms of booking and playing shows, sometimes there can exist a weird monopoly of space and contact with non-local bands). but that’s not what’s ultimately in question.
i think the matter at hand is that women’s place in hardcore is already questioned. it’s so damaging to dog women and claim they exist in the hardcore scene because they are dating some guy. if a woman gets notoriety for who they date, what the fuck ever. that shit doesn’t matter. what should matter is if that woman is a legit human, if they consistently demonstrate feminist ideals. if you’re doggin, you’re part of the hierarchical structure that’s tearing women down.
basically to echo what my wise bandmate golnar said the other day, the ladder, which i think exists in every scene, is some capitalist bullshit where the currency is punk points. for the most part it’s your choice to subscribe to it but if you do not only are you hurting yourself, you’re part of the problem.